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Assassin vs Assassin
DE Assassin
m5 ws9 bs9 s4 t3 w2 i10 a3 ld10 base cost 90 (96 with extra hand weapon for +1a)
75 points of magic stuff, ASF, Hidden, Hatred, Poisoned Attacks and Scouts
May be taken as a unit upgrade..
Skaven assassin
m6 ws6 bs5 s4 t4 w2 i8 a3/4 ld8 base cost 105 (Cost going up with new codex)
50 points of magic stuff, ASF, Hidden, Poisoned Attacks, Scouts, Outflanking, and 4+ dodge save
Hero choice
The DE assassin is cheaper, better stats with the exception of toughness and you can have a lot more of them.. Plus some of the Khaines gifts are really nice..
The Skaven assassin has a 4 toughness, 4+ dodge save, and can get 50 points of real gear instead of the khaines gifts.. Which I think is honestly what makes them slightly (ever so slightly) better..
The DE would go first and likely do well.. but the Skaven assassin is more resilient in that he has a higher toughness, has an intrinsic save, and can take items to give him a ward save.. (25pts for a 4+ ward save for example) with points left over for some more Skaven nasty..
I still think the Skaven assassin would beat a DE assassin in a one on one fight.. Though maybe not.. I dunno..
What sucked previously about Skaven assassins was that they were heroes.. And that still sucks, especially considering the wealth of other rocken heroic stuff we could take..
Thoughts?
I think it's pretty much a wash. The Skaven assassins are FAR more survivable as they get a 4+ dodge save and can take armor if desired. The DE assassins can, at best, get a 5+ ward save. DE assassins seem to be designed to get in a few quick CR wounds or kill off a unit champion or character with the hope of getting some overkill. It's really more of a mechanism to keep their otherwise unspectacular units in the fight. Skaven Asssassins OTOH aren't really needed to make their units effective, but are more of a "SURPRISE BITCHEZ" type of option.
Yeah I just wanted to shout "SURPRISE BITCHEZ".
I don't disagree.. but I'm a little shocked at how much better (with the exception of toughness) the DE assassin stat line is..
As unit upgrades go, you should have one in every unit you can..
Skaven assassins as they are in every unit would be stupidly over powered.
That really seems to be the key. Any DE unit that you want to survive unsupported MUST have an assassin.
Skaven not so.
"SURPRISE BITCHEZ"
Well...the other thing you have to take into account is the fact that Skaven never need that sort of mechanic to survive a fight. Like Virtual Reality said...this is almost apples and oranges except more like Granny Smith apples vs Red Delicious. That Skaven assassin will most likely be killing stuff long after he is tossed out of the bag. The DE assassin will either be smoked in challenge or vs character if the DE player doesn't roll too well...rarely will that DE unit come anywhere close to the size of the Skaven unit. At least not as many units will be similar in size.